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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://traderpsyches.com/catch-a-bid/comment-page-1#comment-308</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 18:26:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If they are artificially low, then buyers will materialize...no buyers means not low enough, &amp; in some percentage of this stuff, the price will never be low enough. Whatever the worth is or isn&#039;t, cannot &amp; will not be determined without exposure to an actual market. Actions so far? Psuedo-market by psuedo-experts...results are &amp; will be pseudo-good (understatement). 

Any possibility of marking to market went out the window with the so-called bailouts; neither ledgers nor inventory will be cleared. It&#039;s the same strategy Japan used: hang on to all the toxic waste &amp; stall out indefinitely. Only worse: the reserve fiat currency of the world (for a bit longer, at least) &amp; massive expansion of it.

Truth is, there never was a market for this junk. It was a sweetheart game for insiders &amp; their satellites, appendages. It was a ponzi scamthat only the most politically connected survived - so far, at least. Unprecedented malfeasance or cold calculation, depending what part of the chain is scrutinized. But then, fiat currency, the foundation for all this, is a pseudo-market too....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If they are artificially low, then buyers will materialize&#8230;no buyers means not low enough, &amp; in some percentage of this stuff, the price will never be low enough. Whatever the worth is or isn&#8217;t, cannot &amp; will not be determined without exposure to an actual market. Actions so far? Psuedo-market by psuedo-experts&#8230;results are &amp; will be pseudo-good (understatement). </p>
<p>Any possibility of marking to market went out the window with the so-called bailouts; neither ledgers nor inventory will be cleared. It&#8217;s the same strategy Japan used: hang on to all the toxic waste &amp; stall out indefinitely. Only worse: the reserve fiat currency of the world (for a bit longer, at least) &amp; massive expansion of it.</p>
<p>Truth is, there never was a market for this junk. It was a sweetheart game for insiders &amp; their satellites, appendages. It was a ponzi scamthat only the most politically connected survived &#8211; so far, at least. Unprecedented malfeasance or cold calculation, depending what part of the chain is scrutinized. But then, fiat currency, the foundation for all this, is a pseudo-market too&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: DKS</title>
		<link>http://traderpsyches.com/catch-a-bid/comment-page-1#comment-306</link>
		<dc:creator>DKS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 16:57:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You have a point but I still contend that with a very limited number of players and no speculative market (really - i.e. locals or other timeframe players) in CDO&#039;s that what happened was the relatively small number of buyers all went &quot;no bid&quot; at the same time. 

IF we had had exchange trading for these instruments this would have been less likely to happen. 

I do think a more applicable mark-to-market period could have been invoked - once a quarter or two - as that would have been much more appropriate for the lifespan of the asset and the small number of buyers and sellers in that marketplace. 

Likewise, these assets aren&#039;t worth zero - or even only 50% of their cash flows - so they are currently marked at artificially low numbers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You have a point but I still contend that with a very limited number of players and no speculative market (really &#8211; i.e. locals or other timeframe players) in CDO&#8217;s that what happened was the relatively small number of buyers all went &#8220;no bid&#8221; at the same time. </p>
<p>IF we had had exchange trading for these instruments this would have been less likely to happen. </p>
<p>I do think a more applicable mark-to-market period could have been invoked &#8211; once a quarter or two &#8211; as that would have been much more appropriate for the lifespan of the asset and the small number of buyers and sellers in that marketplace. </p>
<p>Likewise, these assets aren&#8217;t worth zero &#8211; or even only 50% of their cash flows &#8211; so they are currently marked at artificially low numbers.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://traderpsyches.com/catch-a-bid/comment-page-1#comment-305</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 16:34:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;So-called toxic assets&quot;?

Limit down moves, locked for however long, present a vacuum, too; the buggy-whip market gets smaller. Assets (should) be marked to market - &amp; accounting rules should insist on it, as well. If the other side does not materialize, oh well, the stuff goes to dollar store inventory, or the scrap-yard. Good money - more accurately, worse money after bad money will only make the inevitable pain &amp; suffering worse.

A market exists, or it doesn&#039;t - counterfeit money can&#039;t create it, or even prop it up, but it can kill it. These convulsions are likely death throes....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;So-called toxic assets&#8221;?</p>
<p>Limit down moves, locked for however long, present a vacuum, too; the buggy-whip market gets smaller. Assets (should) be marked to market &#8211; &amp; accounting rules should insist on it, as well. If the other side does not materialize, oh well, the stuff goes to dollar store inventory, or the scrap-yard. Good money &#8211; more accurately, worse money after bad money will only make the inevitable pain &amp; suffering worse.</p>
<p>A market exists, or it doesn&#8217;t &#8211; counterfeit money can&#8217;t create it, or even prop it up, but it can kill it. These convulsions are likely death throes&#8230;.</p>
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